For a 4WD the steering it's well communicating, forces are low as long as you don't use the power provided. Unfortunately (as with any 4WD) the steering gets heavy when you fully accelerate due to the "blocking" of the drive shafts under load (this is a principle fault of any 4WD and FWD). The other day I drove my old GT86 (RWD) and I look forward getting my GR86 . On a dry road I prefer the driving-force-free steering of a RWD, if your target is maximum propulsion you have to live with the drawbacks of 4WD. Your miles may vary...

Bye for now Fred

 

This is one of the reasons I love mine on narrow 205 et40 wheels. While I lost some directness, the steering (with good toe) is a lot sweeter/more true on/off the power and in sync with the car's balance.

In general: steering feel is very sensitive to toe front settings, I basically find the best one by trial and error starting from dead ahead baseline.

 

Not as good as my NB MX5 or my old FD3S RX7, better than my E82 135i, better than all modern BMW EPAS I’ve tried.

Would be keen to hear comparisons to the Porsche EPAS which I hear is also good.

 

Not as good as my NB MX5 or my old FD3S RX7, better than my E82 135i, better than all modern BMW EPAS I've tried.

Would be keen to hear comparisons to the Porsche EPAS which I hear is also good.

it's very IMOgood under lock, even compared to 991 leccy steering . It's Less good around the straight ahead and in instant feel as you transition to adding some lock, but I see that as a function of the rollsteer induced through the GR oem suspension settings (CP). You always know where 991 tyres are pointing and where the mass is, whereas in the GR you don't really care - once it has sniffed out an apex And darted at it.

Some GR owners are adding some negative camber at front end to get more 'darty'

i am considering goes the Lichfield nitro route and might fiddle play with small camber change if I do.

As others have said, AWD cars do steer differently. It's part of the experienc. The GR has not disappointed me. Far from it.

 

I think it’s pretty communicative for a 4wd / fwd set up. Never driven anything that that puts power to the front wheels and has electric pas that matches the feel of a rwd setup, but at least the GRY gives some sense of what the tyres are doing once you’re moving.

 

I think the harder you drive it the more feedback it gives you. In my opinion that’s the reason why it is so boring to drive at speed legal limits.

 

As someone who drives an Audi RS as their other car the GRY communicates much more information back than the over assisted electric power steering system running through a 4wd system with electronic diffs. Yes its not the last word in direct feel, but for what it is I think they've done a decent enough job

 

It is never going to be in the same league as your vx220 or even as good as the nice hydraulic racks but it’s ok for electric. Try a little more toe out, that seems to help in terms of response if not in real feel.

 

Moin, moin! (== Hi there!)

Since I'm driving cars (legally) I had to decide whether I'd like to have fun or to do all days driving...
To change this, I ordered the GR Yaris.

What shall I say? - The tiny Yaris makes a lot of fun and seems to be the solution of my problem.

The only thing I don't really like on the GR is that the steering is much to light and a bit indirect.

Compared to my Tracktoy

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the GR is a bit more "indirect".

What do you think?

THNX 4 info.

MfL der Eratosthenes

OK,but I preferred the steering on my previous car ,a jdm wrx sti,quicker and more authentic.GRY improves with speed and loading up in corners imo.

 

Yes I concur my sold GC8 '99 Sti with hydraulic has never been replicated in the last 10 years with these new electric steering systems.
What is that saying that the new technology is better than the old.....

 

Stock it aint great for feel. Corrected kinematics, hard mounts and uniball/rose joints, now my steering feel is immense.
Comes with sacrificed low speed manageability in car parks etc as the turning circle is now relatively immense.

Not Lotus good but it is up there when at pace! Humbled a few Exige and Evora too ?

 

Hello there, can you please be more specific about "Corrected kinematics" and which one uniball/rose joints did you use? Thanks in advance!

 

Was massive improvement once I had revised Toe settings and chamber bolts fitted. ( It was dead out the box, more Audi like)

 

I like the steering. I’ve had a Lotus Elan Sprint and nothing compares with that for steering feel, so modern EPS cars are judged on relative feel and feedback. It feels very natural to me, with well judged weight, certainly not dead.

It’s definitely best in Sport mode, there’s more fight in track mode under power and noticeable torque steer in normal mode.

 

Way better than my Mk1 Focus RS which seems to want to plant you into the side of every single car you try and over take.

 

Having temporarily swapped my GR for an M140, it's leagues ahead of BMW's offering (standard v standard).

The BMW offers nothing of the front end, the Yaris has good weight and you can mostly feel what it's doing (interested to see how it behaves after camber bolts and geo)

 

Having temporarily swapped my GR for an M140, it's leagues ahead of BMW's offering (standard v standard). The BMW offers nothing of the front end, the Yaris has good weight and you can mostly feel what it's doing (interested to see how it behaves after camber bolts and geo). I have just done the same swap for that very reason the BMW felt like the front end was connected by an elastic band in comparison. The GR‘s steering seems to lighten at speed (normal mode) I’m going to try the same roads in the other settings for comparison.

 

The steering is the most disappointing aspect of the GR for me. My dd is my Focus RS mk3, and the steering in it is miles better than the GR - more precise, and more feel. On the other hand, the GR has a small turning circle, while the Focus has a turning circle of about 3 miles on a clear day.

 

Haha , thats something i don't miss with my MK3 Focus RS...having to do a 3 point turn ALL the damn time because it has the turning circle of a bus.

I still miss it though , hope to have another one someday ...nothing else comes close in the hot hatch segment performance wise on a circuit to the MK3 Ford RS that isn't an Auto , except the GR. Two oppositely specced cars. Bigger and Heavier vs Smaller and Lighter both in terms of displacement and weight.

Would absolutely love to do a track day with one to see how both cars compare.

 

The steering has a nice weight, but not as much feedback as my previous F80 M3, and my old Mk3 MX5 has much more feedback. (which I still have)
It has much more grip around corners than my old M3 but doesn't turn in as nicely.

 

I know it will never be the same as RWD, but do try sports mode . It certainly makes the front end much lighter and easier to steer.
Good luck.

 

GR Yaris steering feel is not the best. I agree that it is much better than newer BMWs but still not as good as I would like.

But is there a way to make the steering wheel better and more lively? Stiffer bushings? Some cars are helped by a strut-bar?

 

Put simply if I hadn’t had the camber bolts and toe reset I’d have sold it long ago… no issues if done right. Definitely not skittish or any VS like the RS.

 

What settings do you run RSGRY?

 

Read up on this thread, post 95 I think shows a summary of what quite a few of us went for and happy with.

Wheel Alignment

I'm trying to get an idea on the specs for a decent wheel alignment for my GRY Most likely stock suspension with Cusco bars, stock or slightly wider wheels I'm talking spirited street driving, I guess akin to your B Road driving so often mentioned here Why I'm asking is my Supras alignment...

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